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Yup, 2012 is just around the corner, and with all the hooplah about the Mayan calendar coming to an end, the world entering "the fifth age", and all of the theoretical end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it speculation about shifts in consciousness etc etc....
It was destined to be that Hollywood would capitalize on it.
Sure enough, Roland Emmerich, the guy behind Indepence Day & Godzilla among other things is tackling this concept.
It comes out next Summer. There isn't a preview per se, but there is this teaser trailer which is interesting. Dig it.

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Wow, looks like it could be a sweet movie! As for the 2012 end of the world thing, I've known for a long time that the Mayan calendar ends in 2012, but the only knowledge of any "end of the world" or "world changing" scenarios that I've heard is through this forum/website, so my hooplah is quite small (it basically consists of you telling me about it)

I wonder if it hurts when someone "shifts" my " conscious"

IM SOLD! I am in line right now waiting for tickets...

oh... wait....

damnit....


Im sure a consciousness shift is kinda like a really really bad brainfreeze followed by enlightenment....instead of more brainfreezes...
owie....

Ah, well, here are two books on the subject if you're interested.
They go into detail about the prophecies, the calendar, the mayans, and the possibilities.

www.amazon.com/Apocalypse-2012-Investig ... 976&sr=1-2

www.amazon.com/2012-Return-Quetzalcoatl ... 976&sr=1-3

Coolio!
Thanks!

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What I wanna know is what if the magnetic Field Were to be reversed, what would that do to us on a biological level.. Everyone always talks about the catastophy of essentially natrue being thrown off but we are just as reliant upon the earth and its fuction as it's ecosystems are.. Magnetic field effects us, so what would it do to us if the polarity were switched, would we die? would it alter our brain functioning, would we run in reverse? Would time stop? So many questions to be asked and yet I cant seem to find any one answering them or even hypothisizing.. I just would like for a moment the "doomsday-ness" to hold off.. and relax and maybe we can ask a round of questions before we go back to being all worried about the planet's potential destruction (of us)
How does the brain work when magnetic fields are applied to it? does it change?(obviously something happends..there has to be something)

This was what originally sparked me bringing this up..a headline on Yahoo.s front page:

http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/12/1 ... ction.html

I'm throwing my hat in the ring for 2012 on Jan. 20, 2009.

I predict failure unless you get rid of that gawdawful toilet ... thingy ...

Merry Christmas, Bill!

People won't wake up in this country until somebody does just that Ducky.

Well Disinformation has put together a movie of their own concerning 2012, called 2012: Science or Superstition, which you can download from their site, it looks a bit more like a 'rational', hard look at the 2012 phenomenon and whether or not there may be something really to it.
Check out this trailer.

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That looks waaay awesome, I must see also.

I am glad people have lots of random feelings about 2012.

If the world was going to end, would you do anything different in your life now?

I did watch this interesting show on the history channel. For all of you who have comcast on demand or a DVR (I dont actually watch TV, I record and fast forward all the damn commercials...life is way better because of it!)

the title: Doomsday 2012

Dont be scared of the title, they aren't really saying the world will end.

This is from the Historychannel.com:

* Respected scholars offer balanced analysis of doomsday predictions.
* On-site investigations and revealing dramatizations flesh out the sobering prophecy.
* A surprising number of sources, both ancient and modern, agree when the world will end.


Check it out. Pretty interesting. In the mean time, I am still going to do what I am doing.... Taking care of Mother Earth, educating people about being eco-friendly, doing community stuff, marry my honey and keep helping the kitties! "Meow!"

I think if I knew with out a doubt that it was coming to an end, and there was no margin of error.. I probably would do things differently.. but alot of things would stay the same, I probably would be less likely to allow my procrastination and fear keep me from doing the things that I feel to be more aligned with my happiness. And I would proabably take a more active role in trying to find ways to survive "the end times" like ALOT of learning. I would care less about the "structure" that contains us all and find a liberating way to escape it.. maybe take my family and move into the woods or something drastically enjoyable/terrifying as that.. I really dont know how i would do things but i am sure that it would have a dramatic effect on my life. Even though I try to never forget that mortality is an issue that can pop up at any moment and wash everything you know away in an instant... thinking like that alone can make quite an impact on oneself... Really helps you be more grateful (it also can take one quite down, but generally it is more an appreciatve loving that comes from the realization that in any moment everyone you love could be gone from your life..)

I hope that 2012 is more a spiritual consciousness awakening rather than a catastrophic world ending.. Frankly i dont see the actual planet ending.. just maybe humans and the creatures on it with us.. Like how the dinosaurs were wiped out..they were gone, and yet life started over.. perhaps that is what could happen.. but aside from our earth collapsing in on itself, i dont think it will ever stop.. (of course with the attempts to crerate black holes over in CERN, that too is always a possiblity.. who knows) I think humans hold the key to their fate..
We continue in the path of selfishness, greed, apathy and compassionlessness, OR we choose the path of empathy, tolerance, moderation, compassion and understanding...
if we make the wrong descision.. "poof" out like the dinos... if we go a different path than that we have been digging trenches with perhaps we can reverse all the damage we have done as a species and save ourselves and the planet we depend on to survive...

Oh, if I knew my life was going to end at a certain time and date that is relatively near, I would definitely change what I do in my allotted time. All the money that I have thus far saved would be immediately withdrawn and good times would be had with family and friends. I would do everything in my power do go out with joy and contentment overriding the sorrow and despair.

Of course, this is for any general terminal possibility. I personally put absolutely no stock into the 2012 babble. It looks like a sweet movie, though.

Excellent post, Alluscion. I find it very unlikely that 'mankind' will be wiped out but the planet will survive. The only thing that could take us out would be a huge nuclear war, which would also kill just about everything else, plants and animals alike. OR some kind of human-only virus...which, well...I just hope doesn't happen.

BUT let's keep in mind that the WHOLE 2012 thing comes almost entirely from Mayan prophecy and nowhere IN that prophecy did they claim any type of "doomsday" scenario. They called it "the end of the age", and did not specify at all what may come after that. Maybe they couldn't tell. Maybe they ran out of room on that slab of rock and the next one got destroyed....? Who knows?!

What I find much more likely, and this isn't to put 'stock' in the idea , but looking at the way the world is right now, it IS changing. Right before our eyes. Sure, on the micro level, you and I may be living our lives the same every day, but on the macro scale, I would definitely say that humans overall are taking a harder and harder look, an open-eyed look at what we are doing here on Earth. What we are actually striving for, hoping to achieve, leaving behind for our children and grandchildren. For so many decades and centuries even, our whole goal as a species was to achieve "progress", and there was always so much to progress towards, technologically, mathematically, scientifically in general, economically....these were solid enough markers for them in the unknown of their future.
Now, honestly, we have achieved those markers, we have reached previously unimaginable heights of technological wizardry, mathematical mastery, we can say how old the universe is, talk about dark matter and quantum teleportation, we can build skyscrapers thousands of feet high and in them, do dizzying levels of business with massive corporations all over the globe utilizing advanced stock-trading algorithms and transmitting them over wireless networks. We can watch movies in 3D, have our books read to us by computerized voices from our handheld multimedia devices. We can instantly communicate with almost ANYONE, anywhere in the world!

In other words, by just about any measuring stick from any point in the past....we have reached the summit. We made it! We've explored and experienced almost everything there is. We're even running out of ideas themselves....

Now, avoiding the obvious fact that, yes, we will continue to make discoveries and find new things in the future, which will be much smaller relatively compared to what we've already done.... when there is no longer any real "up" to climb to.....where will we go?!

Think about that....

I think the answer is, when we can't go 'up', we'll begin to more and more go 'in'. Our collective eyes have been focused on our upward momentum, only giving passive thought to each other and our well-being. Now that that upward momentum is slowing and coming to a screeching halt (esp. via this economic depression), there isn't nearly as much point in looking upward toward the future, and we begin to actually, finally, look at eachother. Look into the great Human Mirror and say "SOOooooo.....umm........WTF are we actually doing here....?"

And that can spark an entirely new direction and entirely new 'angle of momentum' if you will. Where the mind takes precedence over matter. Where love takes precedence over greed, and where flexibility and adaptability take precedence over rigidity and narrow-mindedness. To actually look at each other, speak honestly with one another, appreciate the small things in life (of which we have previously included each other) and continue our human evolution in a more conscious, aware, thoughtful, intelligent, honest, truthful manner.

I very much see that as a real possibility. It appears to be taking place, albeit slowly, right now. And as it relates to 2012, I don't know....but it IS somewhat interesting that we reach this peak, and have this crisis of confidence, and increasingly ask what our purpose is etc.....right as we reach the edge of that date.... Don't you think? Of course there are more extreme people that believe some magical inter-dimensional beings will swoop in and sprinkle consciousness dust on everyone and 'wake us up' or some such thing, and there are people expecting meteors and earthquakes and tidal waves etc.... and there are also going to be the 'intellectuals', the nay-sayers laughing down their noses at everyone even speaking of 2012.

I prefer the middle path. No explosions and time-warping fireworks of the soul, but perhaps something......something subtle, yet powerful. Silent yet meaningful, that doesn't happen "to us", but that we decide to do to and for ourselves. A self-fulfilling prophecy that we decide it is time to fulfill.

After all, we need such a change in order to survive another 100 years, I'm almost certain. Wouldn't you agree?

Awesome post, Transfixed

I would mostly agree with your assessment that humanity is, hopefully, ever climbing toward new heights in terms of love and compassion. Even with all the problems that the world has, and will continue to have, I believe that "Progress", with all it's meanings, has been happening for as long as humanity has existed, with obvious peaks and valleys along the way. It's definitely not a smooth, steady curve upward, but more like a long term stock market chart. And our technological advancements over the past hundred years or so has probably caused a marked recent incline on that chart. I don't believe there is any grand "awakening" coming, but instead we are going to go through some hard times (already started), which will probably get worse. However, out of hard times usually comes the most significant and lasting changes that humans make. So, we will continue on the generally upward development of our species and the world will continue to improve through the old adage "two steps forward, one step back...two steps forward, one step back...etc"

As for this relating to the Mayan calendar, it just strikes me as strange. As you said, the Maya did not in any way predict the end of the world, and had no knowledge of future New Age philosophies, so the entire 2012 thing is just odd (even more so than Biblical mumbo jumbo). These were people that had a poor understanding of agriculture and population control, which led to their destruction millennia before 2012 (they also practiced human sacrifice and penile blood letting, BTW). But we’re supposed to accept that they had godly prophetic abilities (apparently not of their own demise).

Personally, I can’t take things like prophecies seriously…..Y2K is over so people have to fill the gap, I guess.

I apologize for my 2012 skepticism to anyone that is taking it seriously. No offense intended, just personal opinion.

If I had to strain my brain and attempt to justify the whole concept of prohpecy in general, I would assume that it certainly wasn't some 'magical' attainment of knowledge, so magic is out.
I very much doubt that prophecy is any type of divine knowledge intervention, where god decides he wants to deliver specific future-knowledge to specific people, that seems pretty out of the question...

Which leaves only Earthly, tangible means of obtaining knowledge of the future. I would then have to say that it would have t be linked to a state of consciousness which can somehow, in certain states, tap into the flow of time itself and bear witness in one way or another to events taking place outside of one's current time-frame.

In order to believe that this is even possible, I would need to ask "well, what do we know about the nature of time and the nature of consciousness?"

The answer is; almost nothing.

That's not to say that prophecy is definitely real then, or that I believe in it exactly, but studying physics alone has made me dramatically re-conceive of how I view such taken-for-granted ideas such as time, space, distance, connectivity, fowards, backwards, future, past etc.... the weirdness that underlies our physical existence is simply SO weird and SO unbelievable that if we are to accept it as real, we much also take another serious look at things we have previously dismissed as impossible, including psychic phenomena of all kinds, even 'ghosts', and remote viewing etc..... they may actually be on a collision course with scientific reality.
Again, not saying all of that is definitely real, but I wouldn't be so quick to count it out as a "modern, rational" mind would have us do. And in that sense, I would have to say that prophecy, being a product of particular realms of consciousness is not out of the question.

Even the scientific equations which so solidly explain our physical universe actually treat both directions in time exactly the same, as though there literally is no difference. Hard to imagine, and yet true! And so if time is something that we don't even understand, and may not be as "spatially separated" as we tend to believe, then it becomes less absurd to believe that consciousness might be able to tap into and 'see' things that do not belong to 'this' time as we know it.

Just throwin that out there. The Mayans may have not understood population control very well, but they sure understood astronomy and mathematics pretty damn well. Better than anyone else on earth at that time. Which isn't to say they were necessarily right about their predictions, but.....they were severely advanced and it would be a mistake to assume they didn't know what they were talking about.

I'm not sure if I'm conveying my 'on the fence'ness very well. I don't believe either way what the validity of their prophecy is. I simply don't know, and that's fine with me. I'm less concerned with what they may have glimpsed, and more concerned with what we humans actually do with ourselves!

Ummm...:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_civilization

Wikipedia:


Despite their existence being before that of "technological man" they were actually quite an advanced..
I think people tend to believe that since people of the past civilizations existed before alot fo the knowledge we have now existed they just are primitive and irrelevant and couldn've possibly figured things out we dont ourselves know today as a society.
I think that is a misconception. I think like all generations of experience before us each lived life has unlocked boxes..
Perhaps due to the mayan (or egyptian, or greco roman..ect..)civilization's heightend development in all the matters the create a civilization, literature, language, philosphy, religion agriculture, sports, arts, governing ect.. it reached a point of awareness from which new forms of information came to them.. like how the original forms of what we see as acceptible information math, languace, astronomy..ect.. came to them..
and prehaps that is reflected in this 2012 end of an age..

I don't mean to dimish the incredibly advanced and intricate society that the Maya had developed before their collapse. And it's true that inadequate agricultural methods and overpopulation is just one theory or just one aspect of many as to why they couldn't sustain. But one can't deny their primitive nature any more than one can deny their advanced mathematics and astronomy. There's a big difference between recognizing how things work and understanding why things work. Like most early advanced civilizations, they (amazingly) got the how, but totally lacked the why. That's why they still sacrificed children to the Sun god, or the Corn god, or played a basketball-like game with the captain of the losing team being sacrificed to some other god. So, putting that in context with "end of age" prophecies, these were people that only have a primitive understanding of the "why", and just like other religions, had to therefore make-up legends to explain away the unexplainable.