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 Post subject: Vaccinate or Die!
PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 4:34 pm 
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It looks as though only 131 people have been diagnosed with measles this year, none of whom have died, the situation is RED-ALERT URGENT! enough for a headline news story to gently remind you that you're a flaming idiot for not vaccinating your kids! Doctors hate you! And you should hate yourself!
Hmmm... we'll see how much this 'public-service'-type news story keeps rearing its head to convince us all to vaccinate our wee ones.



ATLANTA - Measles cases in the U.S. are at the highest level in more than a decade, with nearly half of those involving children whose parents rejected vaccination, health officials reported Thursday.

Worried doctors are troubled by the trend fueled by unfounded fears that vaccines may cause autism. The number of cases is still small, just 131, but that’s only for the first seven months of the year. There were only 42 cases for all of last year.

We’re seeing a lot more spread. That is concerning to us,” said Dr. Jane Seward, of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Pediatricians are frustrated, saying they are having to spend more time convincing parents the shot is safe.

“This year, we certainly have had parents asking more questions,” said Dr. Ari Brown, an Austin, Texas, physician who is a spokeswoman for the American Academy of Pediatrics.

The CDC’s review found that a number of cases involved home-schooled children not required to get the vaccines. Others can avoid vaccination by seeking exemptions, such as for religious reasons.

Full article: www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26333787

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This sends a little tingle down my no spin zone, I love the way they wrote this...

"with nearly half of those involving children whose parents rejected vaccination"
Unlike those nearly less than half (read: THE MAJORITY!) of the cases in which the child was too young to receive the vaccination or they didn't know whether they were vaccinated or not. plus the 11 (8.3%) who were vaccinated. Way to just skip over that.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 6:39 pm 
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Pediatricians are frustrated, saying they are having to spend more time convincing parents the shot is safe


Good, It is good to hear that parents are asking questions, and that the doctors have to know what the hell they are giving the children.

Look I understand there is alot of information about medical issues floating around on the internet and earwaves.. and some of it is junk, but really i am glad to hear that the doctors are having to spend more time with paitents, and spend more time explaining what they are doing and why they are doing it and all the dangers involve with it to their paitents..

I understand it may be an annoyance to them, they have been informed to vaccinate- cause in their minds it is best, they have to spend more time that they could be seeing more paitents, children are involved-which makes any situation rougher to figure out and I am sure there is big push on behalf of ole Insur-o-Pharm to ensure that they be busting out as many vaccines and pills as humanly possible..

I dont envy doctors, they have very rough jobs.. But so do parents, and like doctors their descions are monumentous in their impact, therefore, keep on questioning random questioning parents!


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Yup, as suspected, the persuasion assault continues!
Two days in a row now, this 'story' has made the MAIN HEADLINE on the front page of MSN... And it's chock-full of 'convincing' language to ease your fears, soothe your worries and make all your dreams come true!
Ok, not sure about that last part, but again it's full of "doctors are worried", "experts are concerned", "health specialists are frustrated" etc... you don't want them to feel bad because of YOU, do you!?!?
Now get your ass down to the clinic and pump this crap into your veins! You're punching holes in our "herd immunity"!

Btw, the story comes out of none other than Ashland, Oregon, where at the beginning of the article, a mother vaccinating her daighter explains "I think we’re protecting our children...that’s a good thing.”
Hmm, so they went to one of the most "liberal" places in the country, most likely to be wary of such vaccines, and hand us an example of a "smart person" whom we should emulate. And the article repeatedly refers to communities as "herds".
Nice psych technique. Straight into your subconscious.

Read the heavily lop-sided article here!:
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26291109

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Yeah, fear campaigns tick me off when there is no evidence of anything to truly be scared of. Of course, that goes both ways. The anti-vaccination fear-mongering gets rather annoying as well. People need to talk to their doctors, read up a little, and make decisions that they believe are best for their kids without having a guilt trip put on them from the opposing side.

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YET AGAIN, it has made the MAIN HEADLINE section of MSN.
Today, it's all about telling you that you're going to lose friends and relationships over it and/or you shouldn't let your kids play with their friends. Amazing how one small random story can keep popping up over and over and over, huh? I knew this would happen! Look how this article begins:

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Karey Williams never thought a parenting decision would come between her and a good friend. The two had known one another for a decade, supported each other through infertility treatment and had their first babies around the same time. But when she told the friend that she had stopped vaccinating her daughter at age 1, the relationship abruptly ended.

“She said, ‘Well then, your child can’t come into my house,’” recalls Williams, 47, who lives in the Chicago area.

That’s not the only time Williams has encountered conflict because of the decision she made for her daughter, now 7. “I’ve had people voice their opposition to me, that I’m ruining the herd immunity … that my child would put their child at risk,” she says.

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OKAY, so this was on the front page(not a huge headline)but Ashland Oregon and their "liberal"ways made the headlines on Yahoo.


http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/ ... l=11992076


This video..infuriates me..
The guy they ar "interviewing" makes me want to scream.. hes all like they are distrusting of the government so they are less likely to go to real medical doctors.... and I am like WHAT THE HELL DO THOSE HAVE TO DO WITH EACHOTHER?

Seriously fear pandering hate slinging..

People have the right to chose what to put into their bodies, or dont.. and really if the vaccines work so well then the people who chose NOT to get vaccinated will be the only ones to suffer the supposed consiquences.. and the people vaccinated will be okay.. We arent lemmings (sorry lemmings) , we dont just mindlessly follow people off whatever cliff they chose to jump..


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Wow, super...

And I heard just the other night on Coast to Coast a little news story about how the study that many people point to linking vaccines and autism, had itself just been studied by a NEW study, which, surprise!! shows that that first study was "flawed", that they had "misrepresented the results" etc, etc....

In other words, rest easy, take your shots, and don't believe any study that says otherwise.
Man, they're just really keeping up this Public Persuasion Assault...

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29160138

The really crappy part is, there is no way for all of us to know the truth, if really anybody knows the truth. People pick their sides on a matter, it becomes political, and the truth is completely lost to those of us that just want what's best for our children. Right now, both choices are extremely scary because either way somebody is claiming that you are doing something wrong to your child.

ps-that is a horrible segment by FOX News. "Uh, well, honey, if the pretty blonde lady on TV says that it's safe then it must be true."

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"Recent data suggest a 10-fold increase in autism rates over the past decade, although it’s unclear how much of the surge reflects better diagnosis."

A 10-FOLD INCREASE OVER THE LAST DECADE?!?

Are you freaking KIDDING ME???

That is an INSANE increase!

Gee, it must just be some sort of coincidence or something! Oh wait, it might be "better diagnosis", cause we didn't know what AUTISM was in 1999. Give me a break.

There is very clearly something happening when a disabling disorder is spreading life wildfire across the nation. Well we'd better damn well figure it out, it's SOMETHING that we're putting into our bodies. So, is it our food with genetically-engineered ingredients? Or our water with "added fluoride"? Or maybe it's our air with unescapable toxic pollutants?!

It's ONE OF THOSE! Cause if it isn't, then it's the $#!T we're injecting into our infants bloodstreams.

Period.

There is no other explanation, unless you want to get into electromagnetic radiation pollution from all of our radio stations, satellites and cell towers which has ALSO increased massively inthe last few decades.

We can't just keep spinning in retarded circles with our hands in the air going "I DuNno!!!". An increase of that magnitude is an absolute epidemic and it should NOT be that hard to find the source of it.

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I don't think that we're completely spinning in circles. There are people out there doing tests and research in all of those areas to try and find answers. But it gets so damned politicized that the truth gets lost to the "average" person. In every controversial issue you've got people on both sides screaming bloody murder. Our daughter's doctor, who is a kind, caring woman, strongly urges vaccinations. I have no doubt that she honestly wants what's best for our daughter, but I also have questions about what she is "required" to do. Has she even looked at the research on both sides of the issue, or is she just doing what she was "trained" to do as a doctor.

As a side note, I don't know if autism is an epidemic, but I do know that my wife (a kindergarten teacher) has one or two autistic kids every year in her class. It's a real challenge for her. Those kids do not function well at all in a social setting and so much class time gets lost on trying to deal with them individually. (of course, she also sees a ton of dead-beat parents that don't give a $h!t about what's going on with their kids, and that's a far worse epidemic than autism)

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You're right, ignorant, neglectful parents is a far worse epidemic.
Based on what that article you linked to said though: a 10-fold increase in just the last decade?! That sure sounds like an epidemic to me.
It's so weird how doctors and any professional really, can say and do what they think is best without really knowing the truth behind it.
Of course doctors aren't trying to collectively hide the truth about vaccines and autism, but there is a strong, strong push by the "authorites" (as seen above in this thread) to set a general mindset about how to think about this situation, they set the tone of the "professional opinion" and doctors generally follow suit.

It's kinda like asking random architects or building engineers about the collapse (explosion) of the WTC. They have professional expertise and so we're inclined to believe that they know what they're talking about, and yet, you're almost certain to hear them respond with the "standard- official" explanation of the collapse, based not on their actual expertise aplied to a serious review of the situation, but on the generally accepted viewpoint of what happened, i.e., plane-crash induced explosion/collapse.

It's kind of the "psychological bandwagon" effect you could say. Professionals give their "own opinions", but which are in reality based on the collectively accepted viewpoint. The same, I am sure is true with doctors and their "opinions" on whether these vaccines are a good idea and are safe.

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I have no doubt that she honestly wants what's best for our daughter, but I also have questions about what she is "required" to do. Has she even looked at the research on both sides of the issue, or is she just doing what she was "trained" to do as a doctor.

I've actually developed a lot of sympathy for doctors since starting school for alternative medicine. As I understand it, as an allopathic (standard, western medicine) physician they are essentially bound by the established institution to carry out the treatment that has been scientifically determined to be most effective against a certain disease. If you don't do this you put yourself at extreme risk of malpractice or loss of your license to practice medicine. So even if they feel that a certain treatment may help a patient better, they must recommend the standard, approved treatment. Whether your doctor has researched it may influence how she approaches the subject but not necessarily what she recommends...

fortunately I won't be bound by the same red tape, but that a doctor may have to carry out a harsh treatment like chemotherapy for cancer (and sometimes it may be the most appropriate treatment), and that's really the only option they can offer patients no matter how debilitating to their system it will be, makes me kinda :(


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Okay, now MSN is just plain sick (pun intended).

http://health.msn.com/health-topics/vac ... ageindex=1

I don't understand how this can even be considered a news story??? Very few risks and complications are even mentioned in the story, and the word autism is not even hinted at. Shameless. :x

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Just a generic, feel-good story about the wonders of vaccines. Gets me all warm and fuzzy thinking about how great vaccines in general are for humanity. Almost makes me want to go and get caught up on all my vaccines right now! You can never be too sure!

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uuuuuuuumm................WTF?!?!

http://www.statesmanjournal.com/article ... H6ovUOU%3D

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WOW.. that is, well disturbing.. so refrigeration that is like.. somehting that people would have realized BEFORE they adminstered the vaccinations, so why didnt they just NOT vaccinate with said vaccines? and what are the effects of the vaccines when not properly refrigerated? and if they are in error to there effectivness being essentially null and void, what are the complications that can arrise from double boosting? wouldnt that be potentially worse than not doing so.. I think if I had gotten one of said vaccines I would be livid that they knowingly injected me with a vaccine that MAY not have been properly cared for and might not work/or have ill effects.. That is freaking upsetting and suspicious..


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