WeAreTheKey

Well, we have yet to figure out the issue with not being able to actually comment on some of the blogs at we are the key. So Ive decided to just start a section where you can just discuss whatever you think.

Here is The Lucid Dreamer:
http://wearethekey.net/blog3


Enjoy.

It is funny how as we grow and age we become more aware. i love the feeling of realization, of being smacked up the face with something that has gone unnoticed in every day thought. There are so many things to think, see and feel. good bad whatever they are all exciting.. some, need more space from actual events for healing before the realization can be accepted..

Forgive me for my flow of thought.
it comes out as it is in my head rather than in proper english.. like paint, it flows better if you do not think about it.. revising is the eraser. they claim not to use it in art class the eraser, because your subconscious put those lines there for a purpose, you are to roll with the lines your brain gave you to make the picture..

Here is untapped jargon from free thought.. I find it healthy and in moments totally spectacular.. if you could see how i see, feel how i feel perhaps my words would be less in ramble and more divine in thought.. or perhaps you would be more confused by my endless run-ons and metaphors and blatherings... Who knows...

Do you free flow your mind to word? Do you enjoy it? Do you ever share it? I think that i have come to a point where i want people to see How I am Me, rather than hide myself. It is scary to express free thought, knowing that even those closest to you may be confused scared ,mad or even I feel the worst annoyed.. But it is better to be hated for what you are than loved for what you are not.. a shame a horrible burden.. but not everyone can hate you right? Well I am becoming insecure now.. why probably because life thoughts are flowing into my mind and time is of the essence.. why did I write this I am unsure but I figured it was time for a piece of verbage to share......

have fun with that one...



heh these emoticons are great.

The eye of Ra closes to my left a nother day soon to be bathed in cool darkness overcome by the power of night...

B.S.
That eye of Ra is clearly to your right.

I still find it weirdly awesome (?) that Israel is made up of the names of three version of God.

ISis - RA - ELohim

Is.ra.el

The Egyptian Male/Female, Sun/Moon gods Isis and Ra, and the (I believe) Hebrew-esque name for the 'whole' God Elohim...

Crazy. When I discovered that Ra the ancient Egyptian Sun God was part of the name Israel, which is as Jewish as they come, I was surprised to say the least.

That is a very interesting thing, split up that way it makes the name israel sound cooler..

But on the note of right v letf.. the way i was sitting.. it WAS on my left so thur!

come to think of it I think I like the name isis.. at least today..

Yeah, and if you re-arrange the letters in alphabetical order it spells aeilrs. That's, like, so cool.

Yeah, that's SO so cool...
Except that the word 'Israel' really IS from the combinations of those three names, which is pretty interesting, I thought.

I agree, it is interesting and relevant. I was just being fecesious (as in full of feces).

There is evidence in the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament), as well as other early Hebrew writings, that "God" (Yahweh) was just one of many gods in early Hebrew tradition, meaning that the great founding monotheistic religion was, in fact, originally polytheistic. It has been debated by some biblical scholars whether Elohim was originally synonomous with Yahweh, or if they were seperate deities and...................what?!......is that a lightning bolt coming at my head?!?!?!

Yeah the whole concept of the land of Israel being named after two Egyptian Pagan/Mythological Gods just seems so....odd to me.
Are Israelis aware of this?!

Okay, it should be noted that finding an interesting coincidence of letters in the English translation of the words Israel, Isis, and Ra does not in any way mean that either the ancient or modern nations of Israel were "named after" non-Judean deities.

Israel = Yisra'el

Yisra = Hebrew for Sara (he that fights or strives)

El = Early name for Hebrew god

Therefore, Israel probably means “he that fights (or strives) with god”

It has much significance in Judeo-christian religion because biblically it originates with God changing Jacob’s name to “Yisra’el” after Jacob wrestles with an angel, with Jacob “winning” (Jacob is the biblical founder of the first kingdom of Israel).

There is no way that the ancient Hebrew OT writers, writing millenia before the "English" people, let alone language, even came into existence could have pre-planned such an amazing thing.

I found your discovery quite ironic because I believe the Jewish religion (and all modern religions) was created through a culmination of many other religions combined and pieced together in a way that best suited the local customs, climate, and political situation of the time. It certainly would have been fitting to have the name of the Jewish state comprised of a bunch of pagan deities, but it's just a modern-day English language coincidence.

Interesting!
Well I certainly wasn't the one who came up with the Ra - Isis - Elohim thing, I actually learned somewhere that tha was where the name came from, so I guess I done learned rong...

But I also found this stuff on the subject:

"Scholars have implied that the name Israel could be interpreted as Iezreel or Jezreal, the valley to the north of the country. Another idea is that the name has a descriptive meaning (“the wearers of the side lock”) and applies to the Libyans. Or, in the time of Merneptah, the name Israel was a geographic term referring to a territory corresponding to Canaan"

"The earliest archaeological artifact to mention "Israel" (other than as a personal name) is the Merneptah Stele of ancient Egypt (dated the late 13th century BCE."

"During the days of Moses, the Hebrews were subject to the religion of Egypt. Before the worship of Amen-Ra (God) was instituted, Egyptians worshipped Isis (the Mother of God). When the Hebrews left Egypt and arrived in Canaan, their religion was influenced by the Canaanite religion whose God was named El (the planet of Saturn). The Star of David is a symbol which comes from the “star” of Saturn (El) which is the planet the ancients used to refer to the Hebrews.

With the influence of the religions of Isis, Ra and El, or:

Is(is) Ra El(Elohim-Lord) or Mother Father Son(Sun)

The Hebrews named their nation Is-Ra-El, or Israel. The Hebrews adopted Saturday (from Saturn's day) as their day of worship. Christians, whose astrological influence was the sun (also from Egyptian origin), worshipped on Sunday (or the sun's day)."



SOOoooo.....who knows, you may be right. I had heard it was the god-name combination, but I could be wrong.

Transfixed, I agree that all you quoted could very well be true. And like I said, I do strongly believe that the early Egyptian, Hebrew, Arab, and Persian religions all strongly influenced each other, and therefore it would be very fitting (and ironic) in my mind for the name of the official Jewish State to be comprised of names of gods from various religions.

However, it just doesn't logically match up.

-Isis is the English translation of Ancient Egyption hieroglyphics.

-Ra is the same.

-El is the English translation of ancient Hebrew.

Therefore Is(is)-Ra-El is just a coincidence of modern English translation. It doesn't match up with the ancient languages of the time.

This is what I could find regarding the etymology of the word Israel:

In Hebrew, Israel translates to Ysra'el יִשְׂרָאֵל

Y = He

sra (sara) = to strive or fight

el = a name for Hebrew god

There is no translation or interpretation of Isis or Ra in the ancient Hebrew word for Israel.

The only thing I don't get still about the 'translation' bit of it is, how is 'Ra' and 'Isis' a translation?
They are names after all, which are not translated per se, the way we would translate the foreign words for nouns. Like how the French for 'umbrella' is parapluie, which sounds nothing like "umbrella", yet the name "Jacque" sounds remarkably similar to "Jack" or "Jake".

I guess I'm a little confused, but wouldn't "Ra" be pronounced "Ra", regardless of culture or religion? And also "Isis" and "Elohim"?
Perhaps with a thicker accent of course
And so wouldn't the names of the three Gods be pronounced "Is-Ra-El" no matter what, regardless of the English language, because it's not so much about the letters I-s-r-a-e-l, it's about the phonetic speaking of the name "Is-ra-el".....

I'm not saying you're wrong. From my research it does seem more likely that your "wrestling with God" explanation is the correct one. I'm just not sure I grasp the "coincidence of the English language" aspect of it.

Sorry, but now I've gotten a little confused as well.

The pronunciation of Isis, Ra, or Elohim in any modern language seems irrelevant to me. We are looking at the root of the word and it's origins in ancient languages, regardless of how they have come to be pronounced or written in modern times. Remember, the earliest reference to Ysrael in the Book of Genesis dates back between 2500 and 3000 years ago, written in ancient Hebrew (and that’s just when they were finally written down). We know that Ysrael written in ancient Hebrew (יִשְׂרָאֵל) does not contain the “Isis-Ra” segment that modern English does, so that is why I call the whole thing a “modern English coincidence”.

It is possible that in the earliest oral traditions Israel was created as a combination of various godly names, but to state it as a fact because of the letters Is-Ra-El would be faulty, IMO.

Haha, I guess what I am trying to get at, is that it's not about the letters in the name, but simply about the pronunciation of the names of the gods that STILL would have been pronounced "Israel", even if it was spelled: HFLFYLFVYFS in ancient Hebrew...

Right?

So even if the English language was never invented, they would still be speaking "Israel" based on the phonetic sounds "Is" "Ra" & "El" which are simply sounds.

So, there's no real "coincidence" involved. Right?

Are we on the same page here, or did I run out into left field and not know it?

the page that really got missed was the one with my blog on it..

aside form that..


I think we should break out in a civil war against eachother over the semantics of the origin and translation of israel....
What do you think?
I think it is what father would have wanted....


HA!

Uhh yeah, sorry about that. All of this because you went and mentioned "the eye of Ra"....heheh...

But yeah, blogs.

I haven't written one in forever. I think I'll spew out a bunch here soon instead of one every few months.
But yours are good too. People should read them.
And comment.
And be merry.

For father.

it's really no problem, amazing how the flow of converstion can just go wild eh?

At least there is some sort of converstion going on, no matter what the content..


{I greatly look forward to your next posts..}

Yeah, though the 'flow' would be a lot more exciting if it were between more than just 2-3 people....

:~(

Wo gotta populate this ghost town, yo.
It's kinda ridiculous.

well, we must be grateful fro what little we have.. it could have just been you and I ONLY.. we just have to find ways to piss eachother off so we can get some serious debate going on.... heh!

Or we can lobotomize the portions of the brains of those who resist joining us so that they are physically incapable of NOT participating??? To extreme???

Ko? Pras? Can your children type yet?

okay..

maybe we just need to make new friends? and start actually finding an appropriate way of advertising the forum... and the site of course.. perhaps bringing the forum more to the main.. since it is the crucial aspect of the concept behind WE are the Key...