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| Author: | prasutagus [ Wed May 28, 2008 3:13 pm ] |
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Emailed to me from Raimster (you probably got it, also, Trans). Utterly sickening and horrendous. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1904632/posts From a recent blog post about this (edited): ------------ So they stripped this honor student right down to her underwear, and then made her go one further and show multiple school officials that she wasn't concealing this over-the-counter painkiller in her private parts. And the courts have thus far upheld the school's behavior. Because hey, they had reason to believe she was in violation of the law, OR SCHOOL RULES. So, wait, school rules are basically equivalent to the law now? And school employees the equivalent of the police? Let's argue--for a split second--that there are some grounds for this kind of unconscionable behavior. Could they have not delegated their search to the proper authorities, such as the REAL police? They couldn't wait? They had to know NOW if this girl had IBUPROFIN? And second, on the baseless pretext that strip-searching students is ever valid, they couldn't be bothered to notify her parent(s)? I raise these nitpicky points, even though the core issue is f*&g insane, to highlight the fact that our courts not only failed to find fault with the strip-search, but didn't bat an eye at either of these issues. Not even "The next time you humiliate an insecure teen-age girl with public nudity, at least let her parents know." Oh wait, no parent would stand for that. The lack of criticism on this particular point implies that the school officials' judgment and authority supercedes that of parents. In effect, our judicial system IS saying school officials really ARE, in some ways, equivalent to the police in terms of authority. But hell, even the police need a warrant. The courts protected the school's decision because they could not find any way that it contradicted the mandate of the public school system. And, technically, they were correct. This heinous violation of a young girl's person fits right into the overall vision. Under this system, she has no right to refuse being strip searched. Her parents have no right to know what's going on. This is not surprising given that historical and contemporary champions of public education openly declare war on the individual rights of young people and their parents. Take FIVE minutes to go read the horrifically fascist things these people actually say. And have enough balls to stop telling yourself that they don't really mean it how it sounds. Yes, they do. Why, you might ask, am I picking out these rare, extreme cases? Because they define the outer limits of what the school system is allowed to get away with. And their actions are usually met with approval by other public officials. Just because most schools don't do this kind of thing (yet), doesn't mean that they don't think they have the right to at their convenience. The school system thinks it owns your children, and increasingly large portions of all branches of government support this idea. When you let little Suzie pass through the hallowed gates of your neighborhood public school, don't forget that her ass belongs to them. Literally. schoolandstate.org |
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| Author: | Alluscion [ Wed May 28, 2008 4:27 pm ] |
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Wow that really turns my stomach in rage and empathy for the child. There is NO and I re peat NO reason fo ra child to be strip searched by a school. I even have issues with the concept of any authority figure strip searching anyone- but that is based solely on psychology not rationality. I am infuriated by this article. The worst part.. for what IBUPROFEN. Speaking from experience Ibuprofen is one of the single most important things for a 13 year old girl to have.. Really. I understand that ths school needs to try and keep children safe, okay I ge that. But when youre theirteen and you feel like youre gonna die from cramps.. you need ibuprofen. Its not like you can get high off of the stuff. And the worst part is they didnt have anything other than overhearing a converstaion to suspect tha she had it.. And WTF constitutes strip seach??? Since when do we strip seach children when you think they are lying? It isnt cocaine. This isnt a prison. So how the hell can they get away with this? For the love of God, you have to have a guardian present to QUESTION a minor if youre a police officer I think forcing a minor to remove their clothing as a non law official is more than breaking the law it is abuse of authority, abuse of sanctity and down right immoral. All people involved should see serious repercussions for this- INCLUDING those who claim this is okay legally... man I am so pissed off right now.... that poor girl. Even if she had been hiding it,even if it had been freaking HEROIN, and even if she was a total snot I would be as equally pissed off. This is wrong and continues to make me second guess the concept of public schooling.... Its a shame. |
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| Author: | [ko] [ Thu May 29, 2008 12:53 pm ] |
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I'm speechless. This is appalling. And that it was upheld in court, which will now become a reference case for anything like this in the future makes it only more so |
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| Author: | [ko] [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 12:32 pm ] |
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NOT RELATED except for the tangent that this was also upheld by the school where it happened as appropriate and I didn't want to startb a new thread: 16 year old tased for not showing his ID badge at school. You'd start to think everyone's had to take a counter-terrorism course to work at a school these days. fuck. I'm not sure whether this is a conscious movement toward schools basically being prisons where students have no rights or just a natural reflection of our paranoid society or a case by case problem of individuals needing to utilize power and aggression on those lower in the hierarchy because those above have stripped so many rights away from them... |
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| Author: | Alluscion [ Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:44 pm ] |
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Have you noticed the uprising in tazering? it is appauling. Tazers are to be used as "non-lethal force" as in a replacement for guns. Meaning they should be used with discression. So many factors make tazering dangerous. Depressants such like alcohol, heart problems pacemakers, epilepsy, drug intoxication ingeneral esp. uppers, asthma.. all of these things are things that can cause severe hazardous reactions to tazing. And most if not all really are not exactly something you can test before tazing some one. This is one of the many reasons that tazing should be and generally is supposed to be used as a gun alternative. not a use it whenever kind of thing. And tazing a CHILD for not showing his school id, man that pisses me off beyond any describable degree. Tazing should ONLY be used where otherwise lethal force woul have normally been the alternative. Im not sorry that i feel it that way cause it is ONLY acceptable in that manner. And there is no way you are going to convince me no matter how big of an Award-winner a teenager can be that him refusing to show his id card is a "lethal" offense. |
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| Author: | [ko] [ Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:39 pm ] |
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Quote: Depressants such like alcohol, heart problems pacemakers, epilepsy, drug intoxication in general esp. uppers, asthma.. all of these things are things that can cause severe hazardous reactions to tazing.
Including death. This is one of the things on the rise that really get to me because their used so excessively and those who use them either don't understand what they are wielding or just don't care. In Oregon it is the law that an officer (or school security in this case, who I don't even feel should carry tasers) only draw or use a taser if they feel their own life threatened, the same guidelines as a gun. Not that this gets followed or upheld. Everytime the taser issue comes up I think of the video I saw of the woman who was 8 months pregnant and was tasered while my partner was 6 months along with my daughter. God that made my blood boil and my heart break at the same time. |
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| Author: | Alluscion [ Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:45 pm ] |
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wow, tasering a pregnant woman.. that makes me flat out sick. what the hell is wrong with people.... |
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| Author: | [ko] [ Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:02 pm ] |
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yeah, it was a few years ago, but here's an article on it. Luckily the baby was unharmed. But after at least 4 shocks and taking her to the ground to arrest her (meaning on her belly) they still tried to justify it and she still got charged. |
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| Author: | prasutagus [ Tue Apr 21, 2009 7:28 am ] |
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Update on the strip-search case. It's going to the Supreme Court (the girl is now a freshman in college). For all of our children's sakes, lets hope they rule that school officials can't just decide to strip search our kids on hearsay that they might have frickin' TYLENOL! 
Story: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30295244 |
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| Author: | Alluscion [ Tue Apr 21, 2009 7:56 am ] |
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you beat me to it! if this gets excused as acceptible action, i for one will be beyond outraged and it probably will be a nother drop in the bucket of my unease about the systems that have charge over our children through the day... This is beyond unacceptible, and i hope for the sake of all children out there and the peace of mind of this girl that the outcome is on the side of the girl and not the school. THERE SHOULD BE NO STRIP SEARCHES IN SCHOOL end of story. it isnt the place of the school, im sorry, but if there is need for a strip search it is already a criminal or medical concern and it is already being dealt with with the "appropriate authorities" if you are going to have a child QUESTIONED do they not need to have a parental guardian or lawyer present?how can we surpass all that protection and hand over the control of disrobing our minors into the hands of school officals? The answer is we shouldnt. it is not only irresponsible, but it is just ASKING for the potential of MORE VICTIMIZED CHILDREN. |
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| Author: | prasutagus [ Tue Apr 21, 2009 8:33 am ] |
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I agree. Demanding a child to strip her/his clothes off is an extreme measure which can only be warranted in extreme circumstances (weapons), which would also require parental knowledge and supervision of such an action, with possibly law enforcement. I'm not saying over-the-counter drugs are not a real issue in schools, but definitely not a strip search in the nurse's office, without parental involvement, on VP command type of issue. Sick. |
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| Author: | Transfixed [ Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:53 pm ] |
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To be fair... it was 'prescription strength' Tylenol!! OK that doesn't make it any more fair. Oh to live in a world without so much social schizophrenia/ paranoia/ fear/ confusion, where an issue like this is immediately seen as waaaay over the line of inappropriate conduct. The fact that this even needs to go to the supreme court just says so much about how pathetically confused we are as a society. |
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