WeAreTheKey

I see a major incident broke out in New York. But there was also apparantly a plot discovered in my back yard . This is the local public school that my kids would attend if we choose to put them in the public school system. Scary stuff.

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Wow. School shootings are just all the rage right now. Seems like every year there are more of them. Even in little ol' Aumsville huh? Umm...might I recommend home-schooling?!

That is so weird cause I had just been reading-but didnt finish-a book on school shootings, with case studies and theorise .. it wasnt a very good "psychological explanation" or whatever they were trying to claim, it was more liek a little insight into the minds of actual kids and their lives who had actually gone through with attacks.
I actually spent like an hour writing a post after starting the book on school shootings and when i went to post, it all went away...and i gave up..
(after some cussing, crying and fist slamming)


The issue of school shootings is a serious touchy one.. It seems that there are similar patterns that follow such events ordiscovery of such events. Almost all of the children involved in attacks had been blatantly crying for help(especially in writing classes) either with obvious depression signs, repeated comments of violence, or other symptoms that needed to have been addressed by either their family or SOMEONE in their life. Several of the children had parents in armed forces, had been abused in one way or another, (sexual/psychologically/phyisically/emotionally) had been given or introduced to guns by their parents(in several instances AFTER they had been diagnosed with psychological/emotional issues)and were on antidepressants or had suddenly gone off of them and had no one who they could really talk to, like NO ONE.

In the case of Kip kinkle he had been brought up in a house hold that was adimently NO GUNS and hadnt even been allowed to watch bug bunny cartoons because of the violence. But after becoming depressed his dad started taking him to the shooting range...
It seems to me that guns just played the role of control for children that have the "lack of control" feeling.
Being young and immature they dont really have the capacity to truly understand their actions or the implications of what they are doing. They are just lost, scared, lonely and pissed. Pushed to the brink by their changing bodies and an uninviting environment.
Alot of the times, i would say almost always as far as i can see school shootings(as in mass plots/rampages) dont happen in large cities, they tend to happen in smaller more remote towns..Which I would believe would add on to the feeling of hopelessnes that the children experience, because they have more of a feeling of no way out..no where to go noone to help..

I feel that school shootings are a biproduct of the environment they are being raised(or IMO-not raised) in . Pressure builds and they have no release, and alot of kids, with no hope and no foundation of reality/solidity feel that death is the only way to relieve that pressure. Some turn to killing themselves, and some turn to killing others beacuse they cant bring themselves to kill themselves, they hope some one else will kill them in the process.. MOST of the cases that the actual person was interviewed (in the book I had read) said they were hoping/wishing that they would be killed inthe process- that they had tried to kill themselves and were hoping that they would die..

I hope that these Aumseville children are given the help that they need, and not tossed into juvey or something to further their fermented feelings about the future and the world. They need help not more fuel to their fire. That is if they even really inteneded on acting. The funny things about kids, they say all kinds of things, but only mean half of it. words like"kill" and "hate" and "death" are abstract terms used to describe the genreal feeling of frustration, While i fully feel in my heart that children/adcolescents are genuises that we can learn so much from, I also know wit out a doubt that they have little to no real context for reality until they truly live as adults, and even then..

we only understand as far as we can see, and until we get past the line of sight then we see a new horizon and are at another staging area of knowing..

Sorry about the lenght and disjointedness.. its a big topic.. i have lots of thoughts on.. (like the societal reaction to school shootings.. which i will write on... later?)

I've always been dismayed when a school shooting happens, the media always focuses on what kind of music the shooters listened to, what kind of clothes they wore, what kind of people they hung around etc.... which are all peripheral symptoms of underlying issues which almost certainly stem from the home. But the parents are always portrayed as poor, sad, mourning people who are in shock, never saw it coming etc etc... which a load of crap. If you have any ounce of parental love and attention you will see your own child sliding into an unhealthy mental state and move to confront their issues before they blow out of proportion and cause harm.
I've never understood parents who have "out of control" kids, or back-talking brats with attitude, or kids who "just won't listen" etc., I just want to grab them by the face and yell "REALLY?!? WHERE WERE YOU WHEN THIS KID WAS 4? 5? 6, 7, 8, 9, 10?? YOU JUST WOKE UP ONE DAY AND YOUR KID WAS OUT OF CONTROL AND DISRESPECTING YOU?! GET A GRIP ON YOUR LIFE YOU CARELESS APATHETIC SAD EXCUSE OF A PARENT!"

But that's just me.

The amount of love, motivation, support, and connectivity a parent has with their child makes all the difference. ALL - the differnce. Anyone who can't see that needs to first remove their head from their rectum, clean off their face, then open their eyes to reality. Children are not self-sustaining pets you can just feed and shoo off to school.

Seeing awful parents who treat their kids awfully just really blows my mind. And gets under my skin....

As far as lengthy posts disappearing, I now instinctively ctrl+c EVERY post before I submit. I recommend doing the same so you never lose a post!

Yes, I also 'copy' every post that's more than a couple of sentences, because murder/suicide rampages have almost happened when I've lost long, thoughtful posts. It's extremely frustrating.

I agree that this all comes down to parenting. While many kids have issues that neither they, nor their parents, can control (chemical imbalances, physical impairments/deformations), it's still the parent's job to help their children deal with those issues and be happy and confident with themselves. Raising children can be both fun and fulfilling, while also extremely frustrating and time consuming. Some people can't handle the frustrustration and time that they have to give up in order for the child to have the proper attention that they need. So they do the bare minimum and expect the schools and day cares to do the rest. They are ignored at home, and that is when the peripheral stuff comes into play: video games, violent TV, violent music, etc.

It should be noted that these kids from Cascade all attended the 'Cascade Alternative School'. Therefore, it was already determined that they had problems or had special needs. They did their "planning" at the school. This whole situation should have been picked up on by school officials, and not by the blind luck of some friend in Montana that showed a text message to her parents. Thank Allah for that friend, who obviously had the insight that her 'friend' had enough emotional problems that it warranted action, and wasn't laughed off as a joke.